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Hillary will win. She will give this big empowering speech where she pretends to be humble with that big stupid smile of hers. I will vomit. Trump will concede but act all smug like he won. And the only violence will be some dude in Pennsylvania throwing a Molotov Cocktail.
Kang and Kodos will be revealed to have taken Trump and Hillary's places months ago, but due to the fact that it's a two party system one of them must win!
Rigellian enslavement for all!
--Chaser9
I like that Chaser9 is giving us a more optimistic view of things. 
Yeah, Hillary will probably win. It boggles my mind though. So much information is out there showing that she is not only incapable of doing the job, but that she is a truly, truly horrible human being. Yet, when you reference the decades of information available, people act like you're talking about UFO conspiracies. They even have a line along the lines of "Forty years of investigations have found NOTHING. She is the most vetted and cleanest candidate in history" which makes me want to puke.
I don't mind people disagreeing with me, but there's a difference between disagreement and delusion. Hillary Clinton is a psychopath.
Donald Trump isn't much better, but he's a little bit better. It's a low bar.
I'm the exact opposite of Informant. Clinton is very bad, but Trump is even worse.
But how many actual human bodies does he have in his wake? How many times has he personally put national security at risk and then proven that he simply doesn't care about it? Donald Trump is disgusting and arrogant, and a jerk (I think the word "bully" should be reserved for schoolyards). You can say a lot of bad things about him and I probably wouldn't disagree. But Hillary Clinton has never exhibited an ounce of basic humanity. No empathy or sympathy, no moral compass, basic sense of right and wrong. She quite literally appears to be a psychopath, who is now displaying signs of some sort of neurological issues.
I've heard people who know Donald Trump say good things about him. I cannot recall anyone ever having one positive thing to say about Hillary as a person. And obviously I can't base my vote on which person I like as a human being, since they both fail, but Hillary has never been anything but dangerously corrupt. Is there anything to suggest that she would care if a nuke went off in one of the middle states?
And all of that is just based on her political career. Add into that her victimizing women who were already victims of her rapist husband.
Trump has never been in a position to make a life-or-death decision. He's 70 years old and has never done anything for anyone but himself. There's no indication that he has ever cared anything about anything south of 42nd Street.
After a very quick search:
http://www.jta.org/1988/07/20/archive/o … ycoons-jet
http://people.com/celebrity/donald-trum … er-hudson/
http://www.nytimes.com/1986/09/03/us/tr … -farm.html
http://ijr.com/2015/08/399969-greta-van … lly-freed/
Donald Trump is a strange person. He is a legitimate d-bag, with a foul mouth and he is quite possibly insane. However, I've heard people who have worked for him say nice things about him and his family. I've heard stories of his doing good over the years. That is why I wouldn't call him a psychopath.
With Hillary, I don't think I've ever heard a good thing about her. Since the 90's, her security people seem to universally hate working around her because she treats them like crap. Ive never heard of her being kind or even very polite. I've never seen a sign that she cares about any other human being on Earth. Please do correct me if I'm wrong about that.
I've never seen a sign that she cares about any other human being on Earth. Please do correct me if I'm wrong about that.
I had a family member who fell into her at an event. She was nice about it. I had a friend who worked in DC (as a lowly intern). She was always nice to him. I have another friend/acquaintance who is part of her core team. I really don't think he'd be involved if she was that god awful.
There's also this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwHLajWWgAQy-XK.jpg:large
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 4:39 PM
To: Verveer, Melanne S
Subject: Noori All
Do you recall Noori Ali(?), the ten year old Yemeni girl who got herself divorced? I met her at the Glamour awards last year. There was a CNN story last few days about how unhappy she is, still living at home, not attending school and quite angry that her life is not better. Is there any way we can help her? Could we get her to the US for counselling and education?
Here's her requesting a human rights report on women in Afghanistan. And saying things like please and thank you to a subordinate (this isn't common of all high ranking folks in my experience). https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/703
You may also want to check this out (though the author is admittedly biased):
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 … in-08.html
Most of all—and you hear this all the time from people who’ve worked for her—Hillary Clinton is uncommonly warm and thoughtful. She surprises with birthday cakes. She calls when a grandparent passes away. She once rearranged her entire campaign schedule so a staffer could attend her daughter’s preschool graduation. Her husband charms by talking to you; Hillary does it by listening to you—not in a head-nodding, politician way; in a real person way.
This same story has repeated itself throughout Clinton’s career: those who initially view her as distrustful and divisive from afar find her genuine and cooperative in person. It was the case with voters in New York, Republicans in the Senate, Obama people in the White House, and heads of state all over the world. There’s a reason being America’s chief diplomat was the specific job Obama asked Hillary to do—she has the perfect personality for it.
I'm going to be slightly serious for a moment.
I was born in Arkansas and I have lived here all my life. When I was growing up Bill Clinton was Governor.
Most people my age or older will tell you that they wouldn't vote for the Clintons for anything. I remember when Bill won the Presidential election. I was in High School and we were at a play practice. I remember all of us, young adults between the ages of 15 and 18, being so angry that the American people had elected him. I figure I'll be having that same feeling in a few days.
I truly believe Hillary is evil and would rather take the chance with the devil I don't know than the devil I do, but we live in a democracy and that's a decision every voter has to make on their own.
So America will get what it deserves either way.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
--Chaser9
At this point nothing short of a coup, or intervention from God will save America from Hillary and the globalists. Secession should even be an option.
On a related note:
https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/ … 7841451008
On a related note:
https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/ … 7841451008
Well, it can't be the George Romero universe. The zombies would be starved; very few brains left to eat out there.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
Me too.
I think Hillary is just short of evil. I think she's power-hungry, and I think she'd do anything to get elected. Lie, cheat, steal, kill. If something is in her way, she's shown no hesitation in destroying it. I'm sure she has her good moments, but I'm sure she does that kind of thing every once in a while so that people will have something nice to say about her. Because I think every move she makes it calculated. Everything she does is for a reason. She is human so sometimes she makes mistakes, but she's smart enough with smart enough people surrounding her to make sure that she's never close enough to anything illegal to get tapped.
What's funny is the idea that it's a republican witch hunt. That she gets accused of all kinds of silly stuff she didn't do. And yet it's just the Clintons that it happens to. Not the Gores. Not the Obamas. Not the Bidens. Or the Reids. Not the Kerrys or the Liebermans. Or the Pelosis. Nothing about Bernie or Elizabeth Warren. If republicans were going to plant fake stories and chase conspiracies, wouldn't they spread it around a little? No. Because there's always smoke surrounding the Clintons, and they're just smart enough to let someone else drop the match.
They've gotten rich off public service. Gotten rich off helping people with their charity. And we're just going to let them back into the White House. It's just sickening.
RussianCabbie_Lotteryfan, a lot of the stuff you listed can't really be used to turn her into a human being. The interesting example was the email about the kid, but given her history, I would have to make sure that it wasn't part of some longer email chain about ways to improve her public image or whatever. I'm still not convinced that she really has a capacity to care about other people.
The interesting thing in this discussion is the element of manners. "Please" and "Thank you", and all of that sort of pleasant stuff is where Hillary may have something that Trump doesn't. He has no manners or filter at all, while I think that Hillary is more calculated and filtered. Evil, but with the ability to look otherwise.
Still, if she's going to be President (gag), I hope that I'm wrong and there is a shred of humanity somewhere deep down inside of her. A piece which regrets having to get a child molester off on a technicality, despite her laughing at the story years later. A piece of her that feels sick when she thinks about what her husband has done to women, and what she has done to keep those women quiet. A piece of her who gives a thought to Benghazi every once in a while, when she's all alone, and has to fight back the urge to tear up.
Hell, I hope that she is capable of holding her grandchild and feeling a basic, primal connection.
None of us win if I'm right and Hillary Clinton is incapable of feeling any of those things. So I hope that I am wrong, and I hope that once she achieves her life's mission of getting into that office, that humanity can see the light of day. If not, no good will come of this. People will suffer and die. The best we can hope for is that whatever illness she has progresses to the point where she becomes little more than a medicated puppet, surrounded by more competent people who are capable of handling things.
Then again, look at who she surrounds herself with... There may not be much hope there either.
Sigh.
Problem is sure people despise Hillary, but obviously too damn DUMB to not be duped by an ego-maniac in Donald Trump. Sorry, they're that stupid, as Donald himself joked last winter. "How stupid are the people of Iowa?" Pretty dumb. John Kasich would have won this thing by 10 points. But because he behaved like an intelligent, sensible, if "dull" person, they ignored him. The Breibart's and the Drudge's have done nothing but poison the electorate. They've made reasonable, experienced, rational public officials with a conservative lean afraid for their lives. How many instances? Trump went after hispanics, POW's, women, Muslims, our NATO allies. He went after Republicans. He torched the Bush family. He praised Vladimir Putin. At NO point did the Republican side check him. He grabbed some pussy alright, he grabbed a party of pussies and tossed them into the garbage shoot.
So yeah, Hillary will win. Frankly I don't want to hear the "evil" shit or whatever. Evil. Give me a break. Trump's buddy Putin has actually had opposition "disappeared." That guy is "evil." The turd who runs Turkey, he could be called evil. The maniac in North Korea, evil. Clinton has raised money, she and her operation have put in tremendous amounts of work on the ground. I worked briefly in politics, there's still nothing more important than a good ground game. She might be over-ambitious, but evil? Donald Trump is a loud mouth bully who has plunged political discourse, civility, and public service into the abyss. Americans get exactly what they ask for. They were too afraid to back the "socialist" Bernie Sanders. They were too afraid to back centrists such as Kasich. Candidates with far more respect than the current two.
The Obama's have ZERO scandals after 8 years. They've represented the American people well. His popularity is well earned.
The interesting example was the email about the kid, but given her history, I would have to make sure that it wasn't part of some longer email chain about ways to improve her public image or whatever.
I believe this is the full thread (starts at the bottom): https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUME … lp00000618
The Obama's have ZERO scandals after 8 years. They've represented the American people well. His popularity is well earned.
That's exactly my point. If Hillary is clean and Republicans are just making stuff up to soil her image, why aren't they doing so for the Obamas? If they're just going to make stuff up, why not attack the current administration?
Probably because the Clintons are *much* dirtier than the Obamas. And Barack Obama is a *much* more sensible president than Hillary will be. She's going to screw up the economy, make Obamacare so much worse, and make the Middle East situation a lot more dangerous. Hillary will tarnish or destroy every bit of Obama's legacy, which is ironic since he's basically going to win the election for her. Without the president, there's virtually no way she could've gotten the black vote. No one likes her, and they just would've stayed home. The only reason they're voting now is because Obama is literally begging them to do so.
They interviewed a bunch of people at the Jay-Z/Beyonce concert for Hillary. Almost all of them said they were there for Obama more than Hillary. No one likes her, and yet people are voting for her. I just don't understand voting for someone you hate, even if you hate the other guy more. It just doesn't compute with me.
Well... I think that there's plenty about Obama that could have pretty huge. The guy is not as clean as people make him out to be. The thing is, the media loves him and they love Michelle, so they would never push any story that might harm him. If the media won't push it, there is no scandal.
But yeah, I think Hillary's evil. And ignoring her long history of shady crap doesn't make it go away. Donald Trump may well get the world blown up. I don't like him. I think he probably does have some sort of mental disorder tied to his ego. I am not defending that in any way shape or form. I'm just saying that given the options, I would choose the ego-maniac over the brain damaged psychopath.
Kasich was never going to win. He never stood a chance in the primaries. It's not because he wasn't mean enough, it's because people generally didn't support his positions and he doesn't come across as a strong leader. Republicans have had to vote for McCain and Romney in the last two elections. Men who refused to dig in. At least one of them didn't even want to win, in my opinion. People who did not represent conservatives the way that conservatives want to be represented. That's why Trump go the nomination... not because everyone loves him, but because people are tired of candidates who won't state the obvious. There were far better candidates, most of whom could have beaten Hillary easily. The problem is that there were too many of them, and too many of them refused to drop out when it was obvious that they wouldn't win. Kasich included. If the stage hadn't had a dozen candidates standing on it, things would have turned out very differently.
Kasich would've beaten Hillary. Whether or not they were true conservatives or whatever is irrelevant. The only reason Trump is even close is because he's running against Hillary. I think Ted Cruz would've beaten her too, although it would've been closer. The only reason she's winning is because she hasn't had to sell herself. She could've done the same strategy (negative 100% of the time), but I'm not sure it would've worked with Cruz. It definitely wouldn't have worked with Bush or Rubio or any other boring Republican.
I don't even know if Bernie would've dropped out as early as he did if not for Trump.
Donald Trump is one of a handful of people (literally a handful) that Hillary can beat. Which, again, makes me think the whole thing was orchestrated by the Clintons to get her this job.
We're so close now! Predictions anyone?
I pick
Clinton 322-216
Popular vote 49-44
Senate 50-48-2 Democrat
House 231-204 Republican
After midnight. Election day.
I feel nauseous.
I'm so embarrassed to be an American today. Hopefully that feeling will subside in the next four years.
I just returned from my performing my duty. For my House Rep I did indeed vote for Harambe.
I wouldn't say that I'm embarrassed to be an American. I am just worried, disappointed and queasy. We're still a great country, and will he tomorrow, no matter who wins.
Obama did a lot of damage, but overall I don't think I'd rather live anywhere else.
Thinking about it tonight, I think Trump's success has been in identifying the weakness of the Republican party. The Republicans simply aren't good at communicating. McCain and Romney failed to speak up at all, whereas Trump will say anything that comes to mind and has no filter. The others failed to use social media to fan the fire, whereas Trump will post anything and has no filter.
It isn't that he is the smartest, or the best candidate. It's that he is actually recognizing the people who would be voting for him. The Republicans usually play games, try not to offend their opponents, and expect voters to follow them no matter what. People are sick of it.
Obama succeeded for kinda the same reason. He wasn't a good candidate or qualified, but he knew how to play the press and social media. He has slogans that meant nothing, but they looked cool on posters. He has more of a filter than Trump, but in terms of how they got here, they're not entirely different.
O... M... G
We might get the Hillary concession speech that we've been waiting for.
It's almost like Hillary Clinton is unpopular. Who would've thought?
I'm still not convinced that she's out. They could always find a few hundred thousand votes from different states in a box somewhere.
We've obviously slid into a parallel universe. Right?
--Chaser9
MORE power Mister Mallory!!!
President-elect Trump. Wow.
--Chaser9
The Demos rigged the primaries to guarantee they would be running their weakest candidate, and last night they paid the price for it.
The Demos rigged the primaries to guarantee they would be running their weakest candidate, and last night they paid the price for it.
So so true.
We've elected a con man. Lord help us.
Well, America overwhelmingly hated their choice. We all expected Hillary to win, and so we kept talking about all the Republicans that would've beaten her. Conversely, a ton of Democrats could've stomped him. But no one ran against Hillary in the primaries. The fact that a septuagenarian Congressman that no one had ever heard of almost beat her should've sent alarms up and down. Losing to Obama in 2008 was one thing - but Bernie had almost none of the qualities that Obama had, and he still had all the momentum and enthusiasm on his side.
If a real candidate had been allowed to run against her, they would've won. And then beaten Trump.
This election was ripe for the taking for both parties, and they both tried their best to lose it.
I'm currently turning to my SUPERMAN comics for comfort. Specifically, the comics where to Clark Kent's horror, Lex Luthor is elected president. Clark alternates between tolerating this with a solemn dignity to a bleak exasperation, at times contemplating superspeeding into the White House to disappear Luthor and generally accepting that Lex won the election and he has to respect that.
After a failed attempt to expose Luthor costs Clark his job at the Daily Planet, Clark forces himself to focus on his work -- saving people, watching Luthor -- and simply trying to keep a cool disposition and a calm head. Eventually, Luthor's desperation to best Superman is not sated by the presidency and Luthor becomes addicted to a steroid, psychologically implodes, and goes on a deranged rampage in a green and purple suit of armour, is caught on tape describing his war crimes and finally, Superman punches him out of the White House. Ultimately, Lex is a sick man, his own worst enemy and he self-destructs.
I'm not sure who Superman would be in the real-world scenario and I know it's just a comic book, but I'm trying to appreciate Clark's steadiness in troubled times when the US President is a cackling supervillain.
I was thinking of the Lex Luthor presidency too! This led me to wonder who Superman would vote for between Lex Luthor and Granny Goodness. But then, Donald Trump hasn't really reached supervillain status...
I've put too much thought into this.
I did not expect a bulletin board of "Sliders" fans to overwhelmingly support Trump. That's my biggest takeaway from all this.
I wouldn't say that I support Trump so much as I support his beating Hillary.
I did not expect a bulletin board of "Sliders" fans to overwhelmingly support Trump. That's my biggest takeaway from all this.
Does the board overwhelmingly support Trump? I count like two posters who are in his camp.
Informant called Trump crazy. TF renounced the Republican party. The best Slider_Quinn21 had to say was that he was sure Trump would be impeached before he could do any actual damage. I described Trump as Lex Luthor. I think Informant is taking some grim pleasure in seeing Hillary Clinton his archnemesis defeated while being appalled by the Trump presidency. It's hard to say he supports one side or the other when he seems to have a fairly equal level of contempt for both.
I do not like Hillary. I think she's dangerous, and I know her dangers (war in Syria, war with Russia, failed economic policies from her husband's era, etc). Trump's dangers are either nebulous (since he has few concrete stances) or unrealistic (the Wall isn't happening, he's not going to knock down doors to deport people, he's not leaving NATO, etc). I think Trump will either accomplish nothing (which, in this election, is fine) or will be stopped before he can do any damage.
I did feel uneasy last night. And today. Ending Hillary's political career came at a cost. But I don't think the cost is "America."
Trump sucks. And will certainly be a bad president. I did not vote for him.
Does the board overwhelmingly support Trump? I count like two posters who are in his camp.
When there are four regular posters here, even two sends quite a message.
I'm re-reading the President Lex Luthor storyline in SUPERMAN comics right now and I'm really heartened by how Clark Kent reacts: he politely congratulates Lex on his victory. In public, Superman maintains his composure. In private, Clark goes between deeply cynical depression and a seething rage, at times struggling to get out of bed in the morning, at others smashing his fists into the moon in frustration. Eventually, he composes both sides into a solemn dignity and a resolute defiance, knowing that respect doesn't preclude dissent and that it's simply a matter of time before a very sick-in-the-head man falls apart and leaves himself open to defeat.
Trump has outlined a plan for his first 100 days in office
I actually like a handful of things that he's proposing. I love the idea of term limits for Congress, but I don't think Congress has any interest in cutting off the potential gravy train that they're eligible for.
If he actually does that stuff, a lot of it could be promising. School choice, immigration laws being enforced, repealing Obamacare, term limits (!!!)...
The problem is, Republicans have been running on these promises for decades, but never deliver. They swear up and down during campaigns that they will reform this and that, and they sound like champions marching into battle. Then they get elected and turn to mush.
There is nothing stopping them this time, but I still doubt that they would have the balls to do this stuff. They will try to compromise and make deals, and we will end up right back where we started. Meanwhile, Democrats get power and go to town with it at every opportunity. This is why we're constantly taking one step forward and two steps back.
Trump wants to replace Obamacare with Universal Health Care. He's said so repeatedly. He said it on 60 Minutes. He said it during the first Republican debate. He said it in his book, The America We Deserve. That's what you voted for if you voted for Trump.
Well, that's the problem with Trump. He has supported pretty much everything at one point or another .
In the election fall out, I read something I hadn't seen before - a secession movement called Cascadia:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadi … _movement)
It would include a large swath of land including Oregon, Washington, Vancouver and even up into Alaska. Wouldn't be a far stretch to extend it down to San Francisco for a Sliders world. The most interesting aspect for that use would be the related idea of Ecotopia:
Ernest Callenbach's environmental Utopian novel Ecotopia (1975) follows an American reporter, William Weston, on his tour through a secretive republic (the former Washington, Oregon, and northern California) 20 years after their secession from the U.S. At first wary and uncomfortable, Weston is shown a society that has been centrally planned, scaled down, and readapted to fit within the constraints of environmental sustainability.
I've worked out a short SLIDERS story in which Quinn Mallory confronts Trump. This story would slot into the real world without any contradictions. However -- I'm not so great at pastiching Donald Trump's voice. A pastiche requires reviewing lots of footage of the person in order to capture their intonations and body language as well as their vocabulary and I can't bring myself to watch anymore of Trump than I already have. Would anyone be interested in taking the script (it's going to be about 15 - 20 pages) and rewriting all of Trump's dialogue into character?
It's just two scenes: one where Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt, Arturo, Maggie and Diana discuss what they're going to do about the presidency and one where Quinn has a conversation with Trump that doesn't go so great for Quinn, followed by a brief coda at the end.
http://www.vox.com/first-person/2016/11 … nald-trump
I really love writing like this -- writing where the fictional world briefly intersects with real world elements. I think the main part is also making sure the fictional world can line up with reality just enough for the duration of the story.
I have completed the Donald Trump meets Quinn Mallory screenplay and sent it off to someone for review. If they don't consider it a complete and total embarrassment, I will post it here. It's technically part of SLIDERS REBORN, but EarthPrime.com has very reasonably and understandably declined to post a Quinn meets Donald screenplay and that's pretty fair.
I have to say, the rioting and hatred and burning figures of Trump in effigy is really stupid. These same people who claim to be about unity and love and peace are turning into the ugliest, most hateful people on the internet. It isn't even about reality or politics, it is an epic tantrum, being thrown by a generation of spoiled brats who have never had interact with anyone who was truly different from them. They think this made them inclusive, but the truth is that they've all just been shielded by anyone who thought or believed differently.
I'm not talking about everyone who supported Hillary. There are some normal people who did that for some reason. I'm just talking about the fools who throw a riot every time the world doesn't work the way they want it to.
And they have the nerve to accuse everyone else of being hateful, racist, homophobic, etc. while beating people in the streets because they voted for the wrong guy.
I'm all for expressing frustration. Hell, I'd even be for a full blown uprising if the situation called for it. It's built into the Constitution for a reason. But this is just an epic childish tantrum.
I'm not sure what's worse, the supposedly liberal people protesting with fists and fire or the rash of bigoted and racially motivated assaults from people who feel emboldened by the white supremacist who is their new president. Plenty of bad to go around.
I do wish people wouldn't boil down Hillary Clinton's failure to being a woman. The truth is that the Democratic Party sold out to corporate interests a long time ago, they just had friendlier PR that presented a public facade of concern for equality, civil liberties and acceptance whereas a man like Donald Trump doesn't feel the need to conceal his contempt for minorities and women or his profiteering at the expense of the poor. And I do wish people wouldn't see Trump's ascendance as some sort of successful backlash against the system that system remains completely in power -- just on the other side.
Okay, I'm taking a deep breath and trying to suppress my gag reflex here, but I'm going to defend Trump... In a way.
The media is playing up the notion that we just voted for Hitler. He hates black people, Hispanic people, women, gays, Muslims... And it's bullshit. There is plenty, PLENTY, to not like about the man. We don't need to go making things up. He says that he wants to enforce immigration laws (as pretty much every country does) and this is turned into "He hates Mexicans!"
He wants to stop bringing in refugees from countries with ties to terrorism until we can be sure of who is getting in (many countries have had issues with these refugees causing disruptions) and that is turned into "He hates Muslims!"
The fact is, we live in a real world with grown-up issues to deal with. I've talked with Border Patrol agents who have first hand stories about the people who come across the border illegally, and the frustration of not being able to do the job that they were hired to do. It isn't racism. It is common sense... Distorted through the lens of a man with no verbal filters, who tends to exaggerate everything he says. And it has nothing to do with him hating immigrants either. People conflate legal and illegal immigration, but they're not the same thing. Not many people oppose normal, legal immigration.
He is not a white supremicist. Saying that he is one doesn't move the conversation to a rational and sensible place. Obama has more ties to racial extremism than Trump does.
The people protesting and burning things are scared of the Boogeyman, because that is what he is to them. They probably don't know his actual position on issues (and really, who does when he's been known to change them), or his actual words. They just know the venom that's been spewed by journalists, professors and the President himself. The truth about Trump is still not exactly good news for us, but he isn't going to be throwing chains back on black people or take away voting rights from women. Yes, these are actual claims that I've seen. Based on nothing but campfire stories, which have grown-ass adults hiding under their beds.
I remember when Obama was elected, saying to someone that I hoped I was wrong about him. That it didn't benefit anyone if I was right and he was as bad as I thought he would be. I was disappointed, and probably angry to some degree, but I was never ashamed of being American, I never called for his assassination, I never would have cheered as people burned him in effigy (which I remember happening with Bush, but I don't recall seeing it with Obama). And since he took office, I judge him based on what he has done.
Unfortunately, I still think he was horrible for this country and I wouldn't really want to spend an evening at dinner with the man. But even if I wanted him out of office (and I will cheer when he is), I never wanted to see him dead. I just didn't want to see him anymore at all.
We all know that Trump wasn't my first choice. I'm not exactly celebrating the idea of him in office. But I genuinely hope that he does the job well. We don't win if he proves me right by being a bad choice.
Here endeth the rambling.
I genuinely hope that he does the job well. We don't win if he proves me right by being a bad choice.
My hope for Trump is the same as it is for every president when they take office. I hope he's the best one ever. I hope four years from now he's so beloved that no one wants to run against him.
As Brit who voted for Brexit I can completely understand why the Trumpeteers voted the way they did.
Over here it was mainly a massive backlash from the working class north-of which I'm one- who had been totally ignored by the out of touch rich London political/rich bubble.
Why most of us voted out.
Europe's establishment is massively corrupt-if you think your swamp needs draining
Do not want EVER to be part of a European superstate run by Germany
Do not want to be part of a European army
Want to make our own rules.
Look at the mess Greece is in, if that's progress I'm a Dutchman
This is what decided it though
Immigration-no control in the EU free borders
Millions of poor east European labourers have already displaced the local people as they will work for far less to do the same job. Our borders could not be controlled in the EU.
The original Boston has the highest immigration in the UK and at the vote for Brexit the highest vote to leave the EU.
The reaction to this election continues to astound me. Legendary comics artist George Perez is now stating he will no longer attend comic conventions in states that Trump won. Nice of him to consider all of the people in those states who actually think like him and did not vote Trump.
Of course, in the end Perez is hurting himself the most. For an artist of his caliber, it's not unusual to make ten grand over a three day convention weekend.
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