Slider_Quinn responded to the Iowa comment, I'm defering to him. However, there's something in Grizzlor's post that stands out to me:
Trump speaks to EVERY aggrieved citizen, of any race. That's like saying a rapper only connects to minorities, when scores of fans wind up being affluent white kids. Trump is a senior citizen's gansta rapper!!! And you need not be white to approve of his crude, mean messaging.
I think comments like these are why you often come off as a Trump supporter to QuinnSlidr.
As a response to me, I find it nonsensically incongruent to my words. By quoting my post before your comments, you are claiming that I made arguments that I argued against.
Trump speaks to aggrieved white men, but I certainly wouldn't claim he only speaks to them and I should certainly have identified that as his core demographic to avoid the impression that I thought it his only one.
Trump speaks to EVERY aggrieved citizen, of any race. That's like saying a rapper only connects to minorities, when scores of fans wind up being affluent white kids. Trump is a senior citizen's gansta rapper!!! And you need not be white to approve of his crude, mean messaging.
My comment was clearly about Trump's specific appeal to Caucasian men and acknowledging that Trump's has appeal to other demographics. Your reference to rappers is a non-sequitur and a peculiar accusation of segregationist thinking. It comes off as deceitful and disingenuous. The outside observer would be understanding if I considered this a deliberate lie on your part instead of an error.
But then you went further: you declared that Trump has universal appeal to all Americans and that all Americans would vote for him, a baffling remark from someone who claims to not be a Trump voter:
Trump speaks to EVERY aggrieved citizen, of any race.
He appeals to all races, and particularly to blue collar types, like a pro wrestler does.
Each of those sentences makes you seem like a Trump supporter declaring that any dislike, criticism, revulsion and opposition to Donald Trump does not exist. Alternatively and preferably, that isn't what you meant to say and you have some communications difficulties. But regardless of what you intended, your statement purports to apply to all people, and that is plainly not true.
Not everyone with a grievance is a Trump supporter and Trump does not appeal to "EVERY" citizen who has an issue with society or government.
The word "grievance" means "a wrong or other cause for complaint or protest, especially unfair treatment, real or imagined; a feeling of resentment over something believed to be wrong or unfair." Every American citizen has at least a few causes for complaint and resentments with society, government, economy and culture: these include underfunded social safety nets, unequal wealth distribution, police violence against minorities, environmental damage, inadequate health care, availability of drinking water, housing, labour rights, gender violence and assault, wages, corporate greed.
There is not a single person in America who doesn't have a grievance of some kind. They don't all vote Trump.
If you mean to claim that they all do, then you are making making a false claim to express your support for a totalitarian state. You are saying that you are a Trump supporter yourself... or this is the unfortunate and accidental result of you mimicking my noun choice ("grievance") but omitting my nuances:
Trump's demographic is white men who feel that the privileges of being male and Caucasian have feel undermined by women and people of colour who aren't heterosexual. He preys upon their narcissism and wounded egos, telling them that they can overlook Trump's obvious lies and path of ruin because the sense of power and dominance is more important.
Trump speaks to aggrieved white men, but I certainly wouldn't claim he only speaks to them and I should certainly have identified that as his core demographic to avoid the impression that I thought it his only one.
The term "grievance" refers to different resentments and wrongs depending on the different contexts in which the term is used. In terms of white men, it applies to the privilege that comes with being Caucasian being undermined. When you apply the term "grievance" to a different demographic, it refers to an entirely different set of issues which would have differing responses and outcomes. But your claim is this:
Trump speaks to EVERY aggrieved citizen, of any race.
He appeals to all races, and particularly to blue collar types, like a pro wrestler does.
That's saying the only possible response from an American with an issue is to vote for Trump. That's effectively ad copy for a campaign commercial for a fascist dictatorship.
Your claim resembles the rhetoric of a Trump supporter. The outside observer would forgive me for wondering if you actually find an American fascist state to be appealing, seeing as you yourself are someone who has difficulties and resentments (like anyone who lives in America) and you yourself are saying that Trump appeals to "EVERY" American who has a problem of any kind. That would include you.
I'm aggrieved and Trump doesn't speak to me or for me, and for you to claim he does speak for me is flat out wrong.
If you didn't mean to include yourself or me in your blanket generalization, and I can't see why you would mean to, I would suggest that you not use blanket generalizations. This sort of comment is why you come off as a Trumpist to QuinnSlidr. You would also come off as a Trumpist to me if I hadn't been reading your posts for years and seen you regularly call Republicans crooks and liars.
But regardless, the statement is simply incorrect. I hope it is not what you meant to say and instead reflects what you've said on previous occasions:
I'm sorry, I didn't realize this forum about a television show was in reality a graduate level discussion board
I don't read every post, I probably miss 75% of them.
I was lazy and not fully articulate
I go to sleep and forget what I even write here, until I check the board again days or a week or so later.
Regardless of how much thought or time you put into your words, regardless of how little consideration you have for a message board, regardless of whether or not you remember what you post after posting it, regardless of whether or not you want to be represented by your words, you are responsible for your words.
You are responsible for how your words present you to others because they are your words.
I am also responsible for my words: my initial post about Elizabeth Holmes described what I considered to be Trump's demographic of choice, and because it didn't touch on other demographics, it gave the impression that I thought it his only demographic. I refuted the implication... and your 'response' was to chastise me for making the implication I was refuting.
I notice that you are again insinuating that you should decide what subjects are to be discussed and what subjects are off limits:
My point remains, why are we wasting time squabbling over why MAGA exists and who's in it? Who cares?
Slider_Quinn21, QuinnSlidr and I have raised this subject of politics at various points in this political thread which we're permitted to do in the course of political discussion. Our comments are not falsehoods about health and safety; even if they are incorrect, they do not contain any content that could would cause physical harm to others if followed.
It's not for you to declare that this area of political discussion is out of place in the political thread. You are free to not respond to it. Note that I myself am unsure of how to respond to predictions of the 2024 election outcome and have been focused more on psychology and left polling analysis to others. Note that I am untrusting of polls after 2016, 2020 and 2022 but didn't and wouldn't demand that poll discussion cease.
I suggest that rather than trying to control other people's subject choices, you instead take responsibility for your own words.
I suggest you consider your communications style of absolutist generalizations and how it comes off as ardent support for the election of a fascist, authoritarian state.
If it's not what you mean to convey, and I will give you the benefit of the doubt that it is not -- then perhaps you will rethink what you say and how you say it.
I hope this response came off as moderated and modulated as I intended it to be.